Which Laptop should I get? - 2

I can't decide between a Lenovo Z710 or HP Envy 17. I would like to use the laptop for web browsing and web design, watching videos/ on demand players, playing some games etc.

The spec of the Lenovo is:
CPU: Intel I7-4700MQ
Graphics: GeForce GT 740M
GPU memory: 2GB
RAM: 6GB
Hard Drive: 1 TB HDD + 8 GB SSD
Price: £799.95

The spec of the HP is:
CPU: Intel i&-4700MQ
Graphics: GeForce GT 740M
GPU memory: 2GB
RAM: 12GB
Hard Drive: 1TB HDD
Price: £899.99

Which brand is better and lasts longest in your opinion?

Are modern games going to work with 6GB of RAM or is it better to have 12GB?

Are these good specs to have for these prices?

Please help I don't want to buy a bad laptop.

Added (1). Just checked the Lenovo website, amazon and several other sites the RAM is 8GB not the 6GB stated on John Lewis website.

Lenovo laptops are very solid and reliable and they last longer (I'm using one now that I bought 5 years ago). I have never used a HP laptop but I've heard that HP isn't what it is anymore.

Anyway, both laptops are good. RAM is not a problem as you can always replace it with a better one and they are cheap to come by these days. 8GB is even enough for gaming. But the graphic card is a little bit below par and you can't replace a laptop's graphic card. It'd be enough to play modern games on medium resolution though.

I don't know if the prices are right because I don't know the full specs. Features such as warranty, BlueRay optical drive, screen size and resolution, weight (yeah the lighter it is the more expensive it becomes, crazy right?) etc… Can affect the prices.

If I had to choose one, I'd go for the lenovo because of past experience, its 8GB SSD and it's price.

Well… As I was going to say… Before Noah spoke, the general rule about Ram, ever since computers were invented… The more ram, the better.

I would have suggested, that if that's the only configuratiion you can work with, then go with the larger amt of ram. Upgrading the Lenova might cost you the extra 100 to double the ram, I'm not sure. Are you buying from store or online. You might check to see how much it'd cost to max out your ram. Maybe you can get a deal on it.

Your graphics and HD sizes are the same, so no comparison there. Then what would you check on?

For me, most of what I want in a laptop depends upon how it's configured on the OUTSIDE. But then, I'm not a gamer like you are or want to be. It depends very specifically how the keys are, how they feel, how my hands sit on the keyboard. I have to have the old style curved keys, I can't use the more modern flat style that most modern laptops have. But that's just me.

Other thing is that most modern laptops are pretty well built. It was 20-30 years ago when it depended on how much you paid for a really good laptop. There used to be great differences between a really cheap and bad laptop and a very good an expensive laptop.
Technology has increased so dramatically that you can spend hundreds less and still get a top of the liine computer. But gaming is different, it might come down to which chip is the best.

So there's actually little to choose from to compare for each laptop. As I said, it depends more upon the outside of the laptop for me. But i still say that the more ram the better. It won't hurt to have extra if you need it, rather than need it and not have it.

Both are good but ill go with Hp they look nicer

Go with the Lenovo you don't need 12 gb of ram 6 is good for gaming and internet surfing. The specs are good for gaming too and not a big difference for £100 you won't need 12 gigs.